Q: Why do heavy objects bend space and what is it they are bending?

Physicist: Scientists can generally answer “medium complicated” questions.  The really hard ones are too damn hard, and the really simple ones are often “just the way things are”.  Or they may be really, really difficult questions in disguise.  You’ve found one of the fundamental questions that no one seems to have a good answer for.  We also don’t know why the mass, M, we use when talking about inertia (as in F = MA) is the same as the mass we use when talking about gravity (as in F = \frac{GMm}{R^2}).  The best theory I’ve ever heard is that matter is actually made of bunched up “knots” of space-time, and even that isn’t a terribly good a theory.

The second half of your question we do have an answer for, it’s just a little mind bending and hard to picture.  What heavy objects are bending is space itself. The way you detect space (follow me here) is with rulers or stretched out strings, or stuff like that.  Anything that measures distance.  Near heavy objects the distance between points is greater than you would expect, and you can use this fact to detect and measure the stretching of space.

The usual trick when trying to picture higher dimensional space is to knock off a couple of dimensions, and picture that instead.  3 dimensions is too complicated, and 1 is stupid, so here’s 2!

A circle and it's diameter in flat space

A circle and its diameter in flat space. Here D=6.5'', C=20.4'', and 20.4/6.5=3.13 ≈π.

A circle and its diameter in curved space

A circle and its diameter in curved space. Here D=7.2'', C=20.4'', and 20.4/7.2=2.83<π

Take the circumference, C, and the diameter, D.  You’ll notice that on paper (flat space) \frac{C}{D} = \pi.  Which makes sense, since that’s the definition of \pi.  However, on the balloon (curved space) \frac{C}{D} < \pi, since the diameter is longer.  This effect is huge (infinite) for things like black holes, but for an object like the Earth the effect is tiny (ignore the hell out of it).  The stretching of space caused by the Earth’s gravity (well… that is Earth’s gravity) increases the diameter of the Earth by about 18mm.

That is, the diameter you get by measuring the equator and dividing by \pi (D = \frac{C}{\pi}) is the “flat space diameter”, the diameter you get by physically dropping a rope through the planet is the true, “curved space diameter”, and the difference between these two is 18mm.

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66 Responses to Q: Why do heavy objects bend space and what is it they are bending?

  1. The Physicist The Physicist says:

    You’re exactly right, I should have written “spacetime”.

  2. Ray says:

    Q. please help..maybe I’m just thick but In which direction is space” bent “by a moving body of given mass and gravitational force ? In all the programs I,ve watched the diagrams all indicate that the moving mass tents to bend it’s surrounding near space beneath itself, which indicates that the body’s mass distorts the space beneath it.However if space itself is void of mass how can it be distorted in any direction let alone in only one direction.If space is not a true void, i.e.space is made up of some form of mass then surely a moving body travelling through space would distort space all around it.Yes I know I’m thick!!! Can anyone clarify? Thanks.

  3. Don says:

    The statement “space is distorted below” is not totally accurate. I believe it is the result of how the distortion in three dimensions is conveyed to the reader/viewer. And it is typically displayed with a weight in the middle of a rubber sheet. Again, this is done to help convey the principle of what happens.

    I don’t know how much correlation there is between the spacial distortion and the rubber sheet demonstrations. Therefore, take this with a grain of salt … If the rubber sheet had grid lines on it, as some images do, then dropping in the weight causes the grid lines to be distorted towards weight. I take this to mean that space is distorted towards (or pulled towards) the mass causing the distortion. So the actual spacial distortion is “towards” the mass, not “below” it.

  4. Orien igney says:

    Many brilliant minds have mulled this question over for centuries without success. Only Einstein came up with the theory of gravitational lensing which was later proven as fact, that something?, actually bends the track of photons around celestial objects but does not necessarily bend space itself. Personally I believe the innate property of magnetism in all matter will be proven as the catalyst holding the world together, one way or the other.

  5. Adam Lilien says:

    Kind of late to make a comment.

    My explanation is that two objects (or more) filter out a bit of the zero point flux arising between them. This means there is a force greater outside the two objects that pushes them together. So there is no attractive force at play and no need to say space is curved yet every equation still works. Simple and elegant, IMHO.

  6. Orien Rigney says:

    If we knew what gravity was, it would be case closed. Unfortunately that statement can not be validaed as an absolute fact. Einstein gave us theory and formula to justify space/time warping with bungee balls and a springy sheet of rubber to illustrate his theory. But today, some thirty odd years after launch, Voyager and its twin are still out there in interstellar space zipping along in a straight line hopefully bound toward another planetary system. With multiple billions of miles behind them, as yet nothing has been said to alarmed us about space/time warping their trajectory. I don’t believe we have discovered everything about attraction and the status quo of planet orbital positioning or why they circumnavigate suns as they do. Of course, I don’t know why galaxies rotate around their cores either? But, having an iron core as our planet does, I can see why balls of any size and mass would if suspended on mile long cables above earth, would converge toward a central point instead of hanging straight down. They are seeking their own straight line toward earth’s center. If you dug a hole on to the center of our planet, and continued the cable length, the balls would eventually converge to a central point. Gravitational or Magnetic attraction? Take your pick.

  7. The Physicist The Physicist says:

    @Orien Rigney
    The motion of all of the planets, as well as all of our space probes, exactly follow the predictions of General Relativity. The Voyager probes are absolutely subjected “warped spacetime” in the form of gravity, all the time. We also understand why planets orbit the Sun and why galaxies rotate.
    Magnetism is similarly a well understood force, that is definitely not gravity.

  8. Orien Rigney says:

    Having no skills in either physics or calculus, I can only give you my thoughts on Einstein’s theory of relativity and space/time generation. To begin with, whether we are talking about gravity or magnetism, what seems to be left out of either equation are the whys of directions and velocities. Unless figures lie; the universe, to include every single atom of it, is constantly expanding at a velocity of over 2 million miles per hour. Our own galaxy is rotating at approximately 500,000 miles per hour while maintaining this breakneck forward rush. Our sun, it has its own problems with its equator making a revolution every 26 days at one speed while the upper and lower segments rotate at a much lower rpm, taking 34 days, yet maintaining this 500,000 mile per hour trip around the galaxy. To what are these variable speeds relative? Earth, as all other planets in the solar system must maintain their variable distances and velocities as they revolve around our sun. Then we have the moons throughout our solar system doing the same as our own. I ask, to what are these variables related? Could it possibly be that relativity is nothing more than random chance combined with some very clever calculations? Our solar system has been around for roughly 4.5 billion years while slowly settling into a rut of which a battle is forever being played out to determine if our sun, planets, moons, comets, etc. will remain at a given time. This is likely the scenario of solar systems throughout the entire universe. As humans, we have witnessed only the smallest faction of thirteen billion years of random change this universe has undergone. You can make book on it though, before this century is over; what we experience as unflinching scientific fact today will have changed drastically. Oh my! To have learned calculus and physics in my youth.

  9. Taco Smit says:

    Forget about space-time bending, it is complete nonsense!
    When an object accelerates in space (I still call it aether) the object will experience an inertia force. Gravity behaves as if it is the same as inertia, but when we stand motionless on the surface of the Earth why do we experience gravity?
    Well simply the Earth absorbs aether (space) and therefore we get the same inertia force, but now we do not accelerate in the aether, but the aether accelerates in us.
    But if the aether (space) is absorbed by stars, planets, moons etc. why don’t we run out of space? Good question, so something must emit aether to keep balance with the absorbed aether from all matter bodies like stars, planets etc.
    We know that there are physical forces (not only gravity) which make matter getting denser and denser so forming galaxies, stars, planets etc. but if matter has the property to get denser then anti-matter should have the property to get less and less dense, that means it will have the tendency to spread out evenly over the universe.
    So yes, space is expanding by emission from anti-matter, but this is only to compensate the absorption from matter (of stars, planets etc.) and this explains the redshift from light coming from far away galaxies, travelling through expanding space. This does not mean that the galaxies are receding from us so the universe is mainly static. This eliminates completely the need for the Big Bang theory, which is full of illogical assumptions and begins even with a singularity where everything comes from nothing, in my opinion an absurdity lacking any causality!
    I hope this will be a more satisfactory explanation than bending space-time!

  10. Ray says:

    Yes, yes yes- all brilliant stuff isn’t it! The most basic question “how did it all begin” still baffles the most brilliant minds.Yet somehow I do believe that there is a simple answer to it all! to the beginning of everything! perhaps we’re all just thinking too hard and the explanation lies right under our noses. We seem to be bogged down looking for a needle in a haystack of theories and calculations.Yet, I do believe that the answer is staring us all in the face – we just can’t see it! Where did the very first basic element come from?The laws say that you cannot produce something from nothing! Well that law must be wrong, musnt’t it? unless everything has always existed in one form or another. If the latter is true then we are all wasting our time looking for the elusive “beginning”! Perhaps there has never been a beginning to everything and and there will never be an end to everything.Perhaps everything just changes form and keeps going round in a circle without a beginning or end, never ending, for eternity.If that is the case then “time” (as far as the cosmos is concerned) does not matter.Time is just a convenient chronological method for us to measure the progress of existence, intervals between past, present and future events and occurring phenomena.Oh Boy…It just keeps going on and on doesn’t it????? Ray

  11. Orien Rigney says:

    I get your reasoning Ray. How nice it would be if science could be explained away so rationally. Unfortunately I’ve tried a thousand times to do so and it still doesn’t work. No! Science requires more than just a small dose of analytical Physics and Math, of which most of us are usually a bit shy. BUT!………
    Me, I like to think of the bending of space and time as nothing more than the magnetic attraction or repulsion of objects as they flow merrily along through the ether. We must remember that our entire universe was regulated to “specific speeds” billions of years ago by what was the vectorially and symmetrical velocity dictation of what we “speculate” as the Big Bang. This rule holds true today unless acted upon by either magnetism, entropy or collision, of which all pay a part in random chaos.

  12. Taco Smit says:

    Our mainstream science seems hardly logical and is very materialistic. We have theories like the evolution theory, the Big Bang theory, relativity theory etc. but if you go deeper in these theories these have all mayor flaws.
    Calculate the chances that a life protein would form by random chemical reactions. I tried the example of a protein consisting of a chain of 100 amino acids, that would form by random chemical reactions and came to the conclusion that the odds that it could be produced was 1 chance out of 10 to the power of 250, which means impossible.
    Now you may say that there is always one chance, well if this would have been the case, you have one protein waiting for ever for a second one, so forget about the simplest microbe (by the way there are no simple microbes, they are all very complex).
    Now the Big Bang theory, which says the universe started 13,7 billion years ago.
    With powerful telescopes we can see galaxies at 13 billion light years distance. So these galaxies cannot have an age beyond 700 million years. In this 700 million years it traveled 13 billion light years that is with an average receding speed of around 18.5 times the speed of light. However we can see the galaxy so after 700 million years the speed must have reduced to just under the speed of light, all rather bizarre. Moreover we can see galaxies at distances of 13 billion LY in any direction, so are we in the centre of the universe?
    In particle physics we have elementary particles (this means these particles are not composed of other smaller parts) one elementary part is the electron with an electrical charge of -1 an other particle (anti matter) is the positron with a charge of +1, other elementary particles are quarks with charges of 1/3 or -2/3, how can an electron be an elementary particle if 1/3 and 2/3 of the electron or positron charges exist?
    Einstein bases the relativity theory on the supposition that the speed of light is a constant and nothing can go faster than the speed of light. Why does a black hole still attract matter around it although light cannot escape from the black hole.
    All valid questions, so our science is far from perfect and some fresh thinking would do good for the future of our science.
    Real science should also include spiritual observations, by only concentrating on material science and exclude spiritual phenomena as humbug and not worthy of science, is a grave mistake.

  13. djay1501 says:

    Nothing can bend space as space is a vacuum, I do need to give any fanciful exquations or theoritical jargon but just plain common sense. If space is a vacuum where there is no medium I.e a void then common sense should tell you there is nothing to bend. These theories are just theories as they have no been proven. The scientific world is now sadly based on falsehoods that violate all common sense and logical reasoning. We live in a world where critical thinking is severely lacking, how can a beam of light travel thousands or million miles from a source to light a distant planet or object when logic dictates that it is illogical. For if I enter a dark room devoid of any light and have mirrors on every part of the four walls and take the strongest torch I have, if I turn on the torch and turn off it off the light disappears immediately. The light of the torch is not travelling around the room once the source disappears, this is common sense that a child can understand, so why is this false doctrine being preached when it is quite clear false. The theory of gravity as currently taught is another falsehood as common sense and reasoning tells us that it is not attraction for if it was the moon would come crashing towards the larger object of earth, if I have two objects on a flat plane the smaller object will not slowly start moving to the larger one as if by magic. Please start being more critical and stop believing falsehoods that by the own eyes and logic are false

  14. Ihavetheanswers says:

    Well the comments section is clear evidence that 100 years of General Relativity hasn’t filtered down into the schools education system properly yet. What a load of rubbish about Ether of Magnetism or relying on “common sense” to figure out the most complex issues we face. Best evidence of confirmation bias I’ve read in a while. To the actual question “Why do heavy object bend space?” the answer is currently unknown. It is a big question that we are working on. But to all the numptys with their wild speculation, we do know that it does happen – we have observed it happening. For 100 years every prediction of General Relativity that could be checked by experiment has been verified as correct. What is happening is that big amounts of energy (mass being a suuuuuuper concentrated form of energy) do bend spacetime. Spacetime is the fabric of the universe itself. If you get rid of everything else, there is still spacetime. It can bend and stretch and twist and ripple. But how energy does this is the hard bit. We just don’t know the interaction that does it. Possible explanation is that there is a gravity field throughout the universe that has graviton particles that are interracting with other particles – but we will never be able to build a detector to measure them to test this. So we’re relying on spotting other predicted effects, like gravity waves.

  15. Jefferson says:

    Because the whole hypothesis is all wrong, heavy objects do not bend space, what they do bend are trajectories and distances between objects, but not space itself-that’s a huge difference.
    First of all space-time does not bend at all, what does bend are electromagnetic fields and energy. There is no such thing as space in entire universe, if you get rid of everything else you will not have spacetime, because everything would be 100% empty-we are talking about 100% and infinitely empty space.

    Huge amounts of energy do not bend space at all not even the slightest, they only bend energy fields, matter and trajectories and distances between objects-facts, the fact is space does not change, because it is not made of anything.
    If “spacetime” is behaving like a rubber than this is not true space at all, not even the slightest, it means it has energy and energy is something, energy is not space, energy is not time.
    These are completely different concepts.
    Basically, what Einstein was 100% wrong as all other physicists is the totally and 100% wrong hypothesis that space bends-no, space does not bend at all, not even the slightest; something that has no physical substance and it does not possess anything physical at all in it, inside itself, cannot possibly and does not bend, only energy can bend, only forces can bend, only matter can bend, but space cannot bend at all, not even the slightest, since it is completely empty, no quantum fluctuations or anything-deal with it, people.

    Spacetime is not actually a spacetime at all and it has nothing at all, not even the slightest with both space and time, it is merely electromagnetic energy fields completely interconnected with each other, the entire universe is made of electromagnetic energy/light.
    And this is why so-called “spacetime”/universe bends like a rubber, it has nothing to do with space, since true space does not interact with anything at all, since it is completely empty, it is electromagnetic energy fields as well as quantum EM energy fields that are interacting with each other and make look like “spacetime” is bending-100% irrefutably 100% proven facts.

    The same facts are unchangeable with the contraction and expansion of universe.

    You have to realize that there is no such thing as space in the universe, the entire universe is made of light and electromagnetic energy, which by itself 100% proves that universe itself and everything inside the universe itself does not have/does not possess space at all, not even the slightest, inside itself.

    Also, the true space cannot be detected since it is 100% empty and it does not interact with anything at all, ever, not even the slightest-100% irrefutably 100% proven facts.

  16. Damian says:

    Dear Mr. Physicist,

    Ok, I would like to make a 2d space , 1d time, software model of a 2d disk earth (as in the Planiverse, the technical and logically without contradiction, sequel to Flatland) orbiting the sun, with metrics, from GE explaining the accelerations. Be nice if a dip or bump of parabolic shape is apparent, if i slice the timeline from the side, where Time is like X on a graph, and we see Y, a projection of some motion. With 3d being all of spacetime, time is frozen and we are examining a static 3d model. If I turn on animation, we see moving orbits from the top, orthographic view. If I turn on animation+ spacetime visualization, i expect to see the past, then the present and sort of a glowing slice at T= x…, and the future as a nice continuous shape. An orbit of disk planet, will be smooth spiral spring i could 3d print and hold and pet and adore. Time would just be an illusion. The creatures on the planet would remember the past and have yet to learn of the future, but its all there for us 3d beings. Cool, we should be able to understand everything, we are beyond life and death for him, like gods. But, no,not so fast.

    I am trying to understand this General Relativity model like everyone else who has seen the video with the guy and the rubber sheet and the billiard balls. Again , Stepping down to 2 + 1 spacetime. So, I read that in our spacetime, the timelike component (orthogonal to x, y, and z planes, incomprehensible to us) is bent more than any spacelike dimensions, toward or tangential to the object being orbited, and that is part the explanation of Newtonian gravity ( never minding black holes or extreme curvature). Take the 3d objects on the rubber sheet, pretend they represent 2d objects. Many viewers are disturbed, it works because earth gravity is pulling it all down. What if you put that apparatus with an upper and lower layer, in rigid transparent plastic, into zero G.. now will there be orbits? I can see the bulge pushing away stuff.. and that means it putting into the bowl on the other side of the sandwich.. Things seek the path of least action? Shortest route? Locally straight lines? I’m not sure what would happen or what principle or extension of inertia is required to understand or predict. I define understand as able to predict, say.

    Now if I take a flat plane an put a dent or a bump in it seems the dent will pull in stuff and the bump would repel, but that’s only with a force underneath, as the case of the experiment gravity visualized. Now , lets say the plane with the dips in spacetime is moving away from the dips.. the bottom of the dips is toward the past, so would that account for things attacting, toward the dips since time is pinched toward where they have been ? its not clear to me. If I take a x, y data, with stuf in motion, and extrude the movie in 3d , i have a nice continuum. But if I bend the x, y space into the Time dimension ( this is bent spacetime) , that is supposed to be orthogonal, i’m very confused, especially if this is for every day orbits. my movie data is messed up.. I can’t even know what time is if I take a slice with a guillotine. Even on a simulator, i have a 2dWorld simulator, i can extrude it to 3d, but I have made no attempts to model gravity. I put Newtonian gravity, fine, and there is no need to bend space. But, I have no causality. Spooky action at a distance is ok with me , but not with Einstein, who is right about alot of stuff even now.

    I’m more spooked by my T getting mixed with my X, Y.

    But, as tesla said we should think in terms of waves. in the frequency domain. OK. At this scale, i don’t know, but ill try. No, waves do not help. Except that light is a wave with a constant speed for all observers. Einstein said it, i believe it as a given for now.

    So, how about relativity.. Different observers are going to need to agree at these speeds. Ok, acceleration being equivalent to gravity. There , that might be my ticket. Acceleration involves time, and has parabolic shapes. So if I put the acceleration potential field as a dip, things aren’t going to go back in time.. but they will find the progress forward in time easier with this gradient, let me say, a field gradient. I conclude the curvature in time would be very small as well, but, this is a very weak force, and if space is bent, that would affect even a giant planet. Also, since light takes 6 minutes to go to mars I believe, curvature into the past and relativistic effects are macroscopic on this scale. I do wonder how much of a curve I would put for say the sun, in relation mars. How bent, how many hour or minutes deep is the parabola, if i disregard any space contraction. If time is dilated approaching a mass, this puts my dip in time, out towards the future, correct?

    and I wonder if using bent 2d +1 spacetime could be a visual model gravity for 2+ 1 space, that is better than the video on youtube with 2 million views and as many comments. I could put the 2d universe as a skin on a sphere ( an expanding universe for the Planiverse denizens, and have it expand, so a the past, or a dent would be toward the center, i’m guessing. Normal to the surface is a direction i can keep organised. We have no repelling objects in space, and a bump might violate causality? Or would it.. I have the software tools to create this, but I don’t feel my rigid 2d bodies are going to naturally fall into that parabolic dent, unless I know a bit more about these metrics and code them to do it. I would just try if Im told im not clueless about the shape of spacetime, how much to bend it, in what direction, and how to relate distance to time. Minkowski gives a clue that space would move at the speed of light in a vacuum? That would keep my time dimension sparse enough, i suspect. I’d love an answer but im looking at https://www.quora.com/Relativity-physics/How-can-space-time-curvature-be-explained-in-laymans-terms and worldlines that are all squiggly on Wikipedia.. each depending on an objects velocity relative to the gravitational source , i presume. Sorry for such a long post, I am showing my thinking process so you can see how the confused think, for teaching purposes.

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