Q: How close is Jupiter to being a star? What would happen to us if it were?

The original question was: I have heard Jupiter referred to as a failed star.  That if the cosmic chaos of the early solar system had worked out a little different, and Jupiter had gotten a bit more mass, it might have been able to light the fusion engine and become a star.

Two questions.

How close was Jupiter to becoming a star?

If something really big slammed into Jupiter today, could it trigger nuclear fusion?

Ok and a third question.  If Jupiter did in fact get slammed with something big enough to trigger nuclear fusion, and it became a star, how long would it take to substantially alter the ability for earth to sustain life as we know it?


Physicist: That is a really cool question!

I heard the same thing a while ago, but Jupiter is a long way from being a star.  That estimate was based on some old nuclear physics (like 1980’s old).  By being awesome, and building neutrino detectors and big computers, we’ve managed to refine our understanding of stellar fusion a lot in the last few decades.

Although the material involved (how much hydrogen, how much helium, etc.) can change the details, most physicists (who work on this stuff) estimate that you’d need at least 75-85 Jupiter masses to get fusion started.  By the time a planet is that large the lines between planet, brown dwarf (failed star), and star gets a little fuzzy.

So, for Jupiter to become a star you’d need to slam so much additional mass into it, that it would be more like Jupiter slamming into the additional mass.

If you were to replace Jupiter with the smallest possible star it would have very little impact here on Earth.

There’s some debate over which star is the smallest star (seen so far).  OGLE-TR-122b, Gliese 623b, and AB Doradus C are among the top contenders (why is every other culture better at naming stars?), and all weigh in around 100 Jupiters.  They are estimated to be no more than 1/300th, 1/60,000th, and 1/1,000th as bright as the Sun respectively.  So, lets say that Jupiter suddenly became “OGLupiter” (replaced by OGLE-TR-122b, the brightest of the bunch, and then given the worst possible name).  It would be a hundred times more massive, 20% bigger, a hell of a lot denser, and about 0.3% as bright as the Sun.

At it’s closest Jupiter is still about 4 times farther away from us than the Sun, so OGLupiter would increase the total energy we receive by no more than about 1 part in 5 thousand (about 0.02%).  This, by the way, is much smaller than the 6.5% yearly variation we get because of the eccentricity of Earth’s orbit (moving closer and farther away from the Sun over the course of a year).  There would be effectively zero impact on Earth’s life.

There are examples of creatures on Earth that use the moon for navigation, so maybe things would eventually evolve to use OGLupiter for navigation or timing or something.  But it’s very unlikely that anything would die.

OGLupiter would be around 80 times brighter than a full moon at its brightest, so for a good chunk of every year, you’d be able to read clearly at night.  It would be very distinctively red (being substantially colder than the Sun), and it would be clearly visible even during the day.

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108 Responses to Q: How close is Jupiter to being a star? What would happen to us if it were?

  1. CS says:

    Referring to the scenario you first mentioned (a Jupiter-like planet becoming a small star), are there any known star systems with a small star and planets orbiting a larger star? Is that thought to be possible? I think a planet orbiting a binary star system was recently detected, but that doesn’t seem like quite the same thing. Thanks.

  2. Fancy Monkey says:

    It seems a “Sun-Jupiter” would pull us out of orbit. Very slowly at first but the feedback loop should build on it’s self. And beyond that pulling Mars or maybe one of Saturn’s moons into a Earth crossing orbit. Or maybe Jupiter starts to fall in towards the Sun.

  3. Dan says:

    In the early days of nuclear weapons, there was an eventually unfounded conjecture that a hydrogen bomb might ignite the Earth’s atmosphere. I realize the issue of insufficient mass of Jupiter, but could a nuclear chain reaction (as opposed to the thermal heating of asteroid collisions, such as Shoemaker-Levy 9) ‘re-spark’ that conjecture. The moons of Jupiter could be close enough to benefit or even flourish from even a weak star, especially if we dig up some mysterious, flat-topped obelisk on the Moon. There is probably a down side I don’t see; reading at night would be cool and there could be a decrease in crime… though ‘light pollution’ would increase. -Dan (“armchair physicist”)

  4. Princess Azula says:

    Most of the energy released in a nuclear bomb is heat. There is simply not enough energy to create a sustained chain reaction in a nuclear bomb. When calculations involving the ignition of earth’s atmosphere where reviewed, it was found that a mistake had been made, there was no chance of that happening.

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  7. Internecivus says:

    I used the Universe Sandbox to randomly make Jupiter a star. It turns out, things don’t go so well for us.

  8. mate boy says:

    So I look at Jupiter every night as the sun goes down and it’s brighter then the moon. I’m thinking that maybe the numbers for luminosity to mass are exponential and I don’t care what anyone says about anything nobody put jupiter on a scale. This is all based purely on modern day logic minded science which seems to stop at the shit you could see with 5 year old eyes Mixed with the math of a tweaked out German, and the half computer brain of a guy that just so happened to, after he published his essay that posed such a reputable case against a creative mind universe, have a crazy genetic disease that confined him to a wheel chair for the rest of his life and to top it all off you base everything on numbers that are constants even though quantum theory suggest time and time again that constants fluctuate. But quantum mechanics and astro physics are 2 different professions And the reality you exist in in your mind superceeds my entire fucking existence and the earth Wants us to die and we shouldn’t exist because the conditions are so crazy maaan Fuuuuuuck how do we live??!!?

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